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Why Football Supporters should vote LEAVE the EU !

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Topic: Why Football Supporters should vote LEAVE the EU !
Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Subject: Why Football Supporters should vote LEAVE the EU !
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 7:22pm
This IS " Football ⚽ Related ":

The Referendum COULD be as soon as May / June 2016.

At the moment England , won't come anywhere near winning the World Cup - Imported Players on LARGE wages contributes to this.

If we left the EU, we could probably have more say, to limit, for example, the number of imported players - Home Grown talent would be more motivated to come through the Ranks.

Tamworth FC used to have a good academy of Home Grown Players.

If we leave the EU, maybe those Clubs with smaller chequebooks ( like Tamworth) would have a sporting chance of winning some silverware.

Admission costs should become more reasonable too.

The EU is not all bad news.

However, many people, now think the EU has gone " Pear - Shaped" and not necessarily a good thing for British Football / Tamworth FC !!.



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Posted By: happy red
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 7:59pm
You seem like a nice bloke.
Have ever seen or talked to dead?
Pretended to be Nigal Farage, Margaret Thatcher or anyone else for let's say a couple of days?
Fantum pregnancy?
If you have any of the symptoms above don't worry its normal. ( this guy is sick)



Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by happy red happy red wrote:

You seem like a nice bloke.
Have ever seen or talked to dead?
Pretended to be Nigal Farage, Margaret Thatcher or anyone else for let's say a couple of days?
Fantum pregnancy?
If you have any of the symptoms above don't worry its normal. ( this guy is sick)



Actually it is Nigel Farage ( not Nigal as you state ! ).

Joachim Low, the German Manager, for example says England struggle at Major Tournaments , because there are not enough English Players in Premier League.

Germany is not a "soft touch" with their Football structure, whereas the United Kingdom , goes for the initial Quality of Player, without fully thinking of the "consequences" on National Teams and Smaller Clubs.

Obviously Happy Red, you areprobably for staying within the EU Club and probably do not wish to see Tamworth FC being able compete with the bigger fish, unless a "Sugar Daddy" came along. That is your choice.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 10:46pm
Alf, I think the problem is England have never produced enough players who go and play abroad. The Dutch do, ditto the Germans, Spanish, Brazilians, Argentinians etc. They all have a number of regular squad players who ply their trade overseas and benefit from that experience and, with specific reference to this thread, we are in serious trouble as a game and as a nation if our new plan for revitalising English football is voting for Farage.

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 11:08pm

Also, at the risk of provoking a UKIP propaganda onslaught, why do you think that leaving the EU would cut admission prices? Has there been a Daily Mail exclusive on the secret "EU football ticket levy" that I've missed?

Seems about as logical as me saying adding fluoride to tap water would reduce wear on the nation's car tyres. Two completely unrelated issues on the face of it.

Also, if you could explain to me how leaving the EU and being more like Germany (by anyone's estimation, the absolute poster boy of the EU) are two compatible thoughts I'd be maybe not interested, but certainly intrigued.




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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: RayHolmesBike
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 9:18am
The Germans lost the war but won everything else. Smart fella who invented that bit of software that got round deisil emissions. 11 million duped.


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Also, at the risk of provoking a UKIP propaganda onslaught, why do you think that leaving the EU would cut admission prices? Has there been a Daily Mail exclusive on the secret "EU football ticket levy" that I've missed?

Seems about as logical as me saying adding fluoride to tap water would reduce wear on the nation's car tyres. Two completely unrelated issues on the face of it.

Also, if you could explain to me how leaving the EU and being more like Germany (by anyone's estimation, the absolute poster boy of the EU) are two compatible thoughts I'd be maybe not interested, but certainly intrigued.




Most UK people ( at least 70% think the UK is a " soft touch " on Migration into the UK. ).

Even the Muslim Customers I see around the Sparkhill Area of Birmingham starting complaining about Local People loosing out.

Quite alot of Tory , Labour , LiberalSupporters NOW want to Leave the EU.

Around 75% of UKIP supporters won't to leave the UK - some wish to remain, if Cameron got his act together , negotiating with Brussels !!.
We are a Rich Country , so people from other Countries ARE attracted here.
Some Industries including our Home Nation Football Teams and Home Grown Talent looses out.


Posted By: happy red
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 8:33pm
All the money from football is coming from the Far East, not Sparkbrook.
So at the end of the day voting in or out is not going to make any difference to Tamworth. Or would it, European players would need a work permit.


Posted By: happy red
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by Sir Alf Ramsey Sir Alf Ramsey wrote:

Originally posted by happy red happy red wrote:

You seem like a nice bloke.
Have ever seen or talked to dead?
Pretended to be Nigal Farage, Margaret Thatcher or anyone else for let's say a couple of days?
Fantum pregnancy?
If you have any of the symptoms above don't worry its normal. ( this guy is sick)



Actually it is Nigel Farage ( not Nigal as you state ! ).

Joachim Low, the German Manager, for example says England struggle at Major Tournaments , because there are not enough English Players in Premier League.

Germany is not a "soft touch" with their Football structure, whereas the United Kingdom , goes for the initial Quality of Player, without fully thinking of the "consequences" on National Teams and Smaller Clubs.

Obviously Happy Red, you areprobably for staying within the EU Club and probably do not wish to see Tamworth FC being able compete with the bigger fish, unless a "Sugar Daddy" came along. That is your choice.


To be honest how on earth is staying in or out of the e u going make Tamworth a better club?
I think you are trying to say something else. You are nearly crossing that dark line.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 8:50pm
Whilst I have strong views about staying in/out this is not forum for doing so - it's a football site!!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: NWL
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 8:52pm
Home grown talent, I would say there's plenty abaout, but unfortunately with most of the top clubs being owned by a bunch of non eu members who want instant success and are willing to buy it , all our talent end up in division 2 and 3 which push good players further down the leagues, were most clubs only survive on low wages and small attendances, my wish would be to go backwards, have a look in any 50s and 60s football annuals , the FA book for boys, look at the structure from Schools to amateur football Div 1 to 4 results a nd attendances, Fantastic, only players were only on 10 to 15 quid a week.................................fans have to take it or leave it today.............if Tfc halved the attendance fee would we double the gate , no, if we only had home grown players fom a 10 mile radius, ,playin for nowt and in a much lower league would you all turn up, no, and so on and on and on.


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Argus9 Argus9 wrote:

Whilst I have strong views about staying in/out this is not forum for doing so - it's a football site!!!!!!!!!!


Yes: The post WAS " Football ⚽ Related " .


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:35am
Originally posted by NWL NWL wrote:

Home grown talent, I would say there's plenty abaout, but unfortunately with most of the top clubs being owned by a bunch of non eu members who want instant success and are willing to buy it , all our talent end up in division 2 and 3 which push good players further down the leagues, were most clubs only survive on low wages and small attendances, my wish would be to go backwards, have a look in any 50s and 60s football annuals , the FA book for boys, look at the structure from Schools to amateur football Div 1 to 4 results a nd attendances, Fantastic, only players were only on 10 to 15 quid a week.................................fans have to take it or leave it today.............if Tfc halved the attendance fee would we double the gate , no, if we only had home grown players fom a 10 mile radius, ,playin for nowt and in a much lower league would you all turn up, no, and so on and on and on.


We CAN influence change , for the better, in British / English Football.
Most British Supporters want LESS imported players into our Game and MORE Home Grown Talent shining through. There are different ways of looking at things. However if Clubs just have " imported " players in the Team, quite alot of People think this LOOSES the Local connection, with the Club.


Posted By: happy red
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 11:07am
All depends on what league you are talking about when Tamworth was in the Banks league Tamworth had local players big crowds, because they were winning at bottom of the non league pyramid. Bolehall Swifts don't need so called imported players.
You get in to the top of non league football, and it doesn't matter what, you need the best. Players might come from around the world that's not going to change.
So it comes down to what you want. Talking crap about the ins and outs of the E U or AMBITION.
Final note think about a couple Saturday's ago, Tamworth against a team of 10 men. How well they played in the 1st half. I bet you wish Tamworth had better players, manager and you would not care if they came from Sparkbrook long as they was winning .


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by happy red happy red wrote:

All depends on what league you are talking about when Tamworth was in the Banks league Tamworth had local players big crowds, because they were winning at bottom of the non league pyramid. Bolehall Swifts don't need so called imported players.
You get in to the top of non league football, and it doesn't matter what, you need the best. Players might come from around the world that's not going to change.
So it comes down to what you want. Talking crap about the ins and outs of the E U or AMBITION.
Final note think about a couple Saturday's ago, Tamworth against a team of 10 men. How well they played in the 1st half. I bet you wish Tamworth had better players, manager and you would not care if they came from Sparkbrook long as they was winning .


Too many " imported " players DOES effect the likes of England doing really well in Big Tournaments like the World Cup.

Why should talented " Home Grown " Players be forced away from the game, due the NUMBER of imported players in British Football ?
Don't think many any other Countries ( with our Standard of Football ) allows for so many imported players !.
Obviously as we are " currently " in the EU, we CAN'T put any limits on the amount of players coming in - if we left, you could argue the UK / England does NOT have a football skill shortage" !!!...
The EU has good points , but many bad ones, which seems to be getting WORSE...


Posted By: happy red
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 4:49pm
The E U has good points, but many bad ones , which seems to be getting worse.
I might or not agree but your last comment has nothing to do with Tamworth.
Betting is big in the Far East . Big money in the Prem Man U, Sky BT and the likes are not going to give that up. Just think what the Gov gets out of football taxes .
Your on to a loser.


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 12:21am
Originally posted by happy red happy red wrote:

The E U has good points, but many bad ones , which seems to be getting worse.
I might or not agree but your last comment has nothing to do with Tamworth.
Betting is big in the Far East . Big money in the Prem Man U, Sky BT and the likes are not going to give that up. Just think what the Gov gets out of football taxes .
Your on to a loser.


Happy Red:

They wouldn't give that up, if we LEFT the EU:

But by LEAVING:

Getting rid of the "open door" mindset of Imported players , within our Football Culture.

MOTIVATING more "Home Grown" Talent , including ones for Tamworth FC , to shine through.

We want our Football / Country back !!!










Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:56pm
I sort of remember the forum in its previous incarnation getting a number of pro UKIP threads very tenuously linked to TFC and it was pretty tiresome. I'm getting a sense of deja vu. (Apologies for the use of a French phrase - there are some things the Europeans just do better than us).

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 9:54am
Deja vu - you can say that again but I've heard all that before!



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