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Topic: Before we get too despondent
Posted By: Pricey2
Subject: Before we get too despondent
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 6:14pm
I know some are annoyed at our midtable season and AM at the minute but before we get too despondent let's remember it could be worse.

England are managed by a bloke whose only notable achievement is getting Boro relegated, captained (not for a joke or for a red letter day but seriously) by JFH as Evertonians call him ("Jordan Henderson"). All they need is Valencia's saviour, Gary Neville to get recalled to the coaching staff and England will be the world's laughing stock.

We might not be winning the title this year but compared to that lot...


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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 6:37pm






Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 6:43pm
Wow - The real Pricey coming out- and bad news l agree with you - not really watched England since 1974 and indeed the premiership ever - overpaid and underperformance mostly in terms of our players - TFC - never expected however to win the league this year but hope it will not take 10 years as some say on here even to get our act together - really just hoping your better half doesn't buy you the MFC DVD for Christmas - health and safety issue as well - what you don't want is one of those 'Cannock' clowns stalking you from previous comments you made just wearing a MFC football shirt - they really scare me!






Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 8:55pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

I know some are annoyed at our midtable season and AM at the minute but before we get too despondent let's remember it could be worse.

England are managed by a bloke whose only notable achievement is getting Boro relegated, captained (not for a joke or for a red letter day but seriously) by JFH as Evertonians call him ("Jordan Henderson"). All they need is Valencia's saviour, Gary Neville to get recalled to the coaching staff and England will be the world's laughing stock.

We might not be winning the title this year but compared to that lot...


As mentioned MANY times before , far too many Foreign Players in Premiership, which obviously affects England's chance of doing / playing well. Demotivates players born here too !!!...

Hopefully BREXIT will eventually do something about this.

Somehow don't think Theresa May has got the bottle to do this at present.





Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 9:16pm
I'm just hoping in MAY happen Sir Alf!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 10:21pm
If having a really strong league full of domestic players to fill your national team is the criteria for international success, how do you explain Wales' semi final appearance at the Euros or Portugal (who have the majority of their squad playing or having played abroad)'s win?

England's problem is that currently they just don't have many quality players and none of them get picked up by foreign clubs (Hart on loan at a midtable Italian club is seen as a novelty).

Hopefully if we keep sending young aspiring coaches to the continent like Gary Neville at Valencia, we'll be able to show the Europeans the quality of our set up and expand our horizons.

Brexit won't transform football but imagine if it does, having English players playing against more English players in a league weakened by the loss of higher standard foreigners will not very likely breed a golden generation in my opinion.

England need more, better qualified coaches and more top players playing abroad experiencing different cultures and styles of football if they want to improve but I can't see it. The top Spanish side of a few years ago benefitted massively from having players playing abroad and so has the German side over the last few years.




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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

If having a really strong league full of domestic players to fill your national team
is the criteria for international success, how do you explain Wales' semi final appearance at the Euros or Portugal (who have the majority of their squad playing or having played abroad)'s win?

England's problem is that currently they just don't have many quality players and none of them get picked up by foreign clubs (Hart on loan at a midtable Italian club is seen as a novelty).

Hopefully if we keep sending young aspiring coaches to the continent like Gary Neville at Valencia, we'll be able to show the Europeans the quality of our set up and expand our horizons.

Brexit won't transform football but imagine if it does, having English players playing against more English players in a league weakened by the loss of higher standard foreigners will not very likely breed a golden generation in my opinion.

England need more, better qualified coaches and more top players playing abroad experiencing different cultures and styles of football if they want to improve but I can't see it. The top Spanish side of a few years ago benefitted massively from having players playing



and so has the German side over the last few years.





Obviously lots of foreign Players in English Football League can improve
Quality of our Football.

Equally , too many affects England's chances of playing / doing well.

That's why we voted BREXIT, to end " uncontrolled" Immigration, which can be detrimental to those born here.

Don't get me wrong - controlled Immigration can be beneficial.



Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 11:59pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

If having a really strong league full of domestic players to fill your national team
is the criteria for international success, how do you explain Wales' semi final appearance at the Euros or Portugal (who have the majority of their squad playing or having played abroad)'s win?

England's problem is that currently they just don't have many quality players and none of them get picked up by foreign clubs (Hart on loan at a midtable Italian club is seen as a novelty).

Hopefully if we keep sending young aspiring coaches to the continent like Gary Neville at Valencia, we'll be able to show the Europeans the quality of our set up and expand our horizons.

Brexit won't transform football but imagine if it does, having English players playing against more English players in a league weakened by the loss of higher standard foreigners will not very likely breed a golden generation in my opinion.

England need more, better qualified coaches and more top players playing abroad experiencing different cultures and styles of football if they want to improve but I can't see it. The top Spanish side of a few years ago benefitted massively from having players playing abroad and so has the German side over the last few years.





UKIP do well in Wales.

Wales are very proud of their Sovereignty.

England , in many large Cities , felt like some other Country than England , where to even say you were English , you were considered to be Racist.

Thank goodness, England is getting its Sovereignty back through BREXIT and hopefully this " feel good " factor will rub off on our National side.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 1:32am
Truly don't want to turn this into a thread of you trying to drum up more support for Farage and his moronic mob. If we're talking purely football and you're telling me a lack of English players in our top flight is the barrier to our success, how do you explain Wales who couldn't even pick a starting xi, never mind a squad of purely top flight players making the semis?

I know it doesn't fit your flaming foreigners agenda but don't ignore it. Tell me why it affects England but not Wales. The problem is a lack of quality youth coaches and a lack of talent in the current generation of English players.


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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Truly don't want to turn this into a thread of you trying to drum up more support for Farage and his moronic mob. If we're talking purely football and you're telling me a lack of English players in our top flight is the barrier to our success, how do you explain Wales who couldn't even pick a starting xi, never mind a squad of purely top flight players making the semis?

I know it doesn't fit your flaming foreigners agenda but don't ignore it. Tell me why it affects England but not Wales. The problem is a lack of quality youth coaches and a lack of talent in the current generation of English players.


Pricey ,

I have nothing against people from other Countries.

However, we voted to leave the EU, partly because too many people from EU were coming here.

Put it this way, you would not get a job at a Company you wished to work for in the UK / England, if there were already more talented people going to work at that Company, from other EU Countries , in BREXIT's case.

You must have been a Remainer, Pricey.

Regarding more talented Youth Coaches , this may now work better, we have left the EU.

We need to get the balance of Players right , so talented players representing England can come shining through.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 6:40pm
In line with let's not be to dispondent - next 4 league games have to be the toughest sequence this season - slightly worried our mantra of playing better against better/top teams will be seriously put to the test - defence has not been up to it this season unlike in the past - falling behind top 3 big time - at end of these 4 games who knows - oh hum-




Posted By: NWL
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by Sir Alf Ramsey Sir Alf Ramsey wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Truly don't want to turn this into a thread of you trying to drum up more support for Farage and his moronic mob. If we're talking purely football and you're telling me a lack of English players in our top flight is the barrier to our success, how do you explain Wales who couldn't even pick a starting xi, never mind a squad of purely top flight players making the semis?

I know it doesn't fit your flaming foreigners agenda but don't ignore it. Tell me why it affects England but not Wales. The problem is a lack of quality youth coaches and a lack of talent in the current generation of English players.


Pricey ,

I have nothing against people from other Countries.

However, we voted to leave the EU, partly because too many people from EU were coming here.

Put it this way, you would not get a job at a Company you wished to work for in the UK / England, if there were already more talented people going to work at that Company, from other EU Countries , in BREXIT's case.

You must have been a Remainer, Pricey.

Regarding more talented Youth Coaches , this may now work better, we have left the EU.

We need to get the balance of Players right , so talented players representing England can come shining through.


Would like a bag of gob stoppers, their free......


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 11:07pm
Originally posted by NWL NWL wrote:

Originally posted by Sir Alf Ramsey Sir Alf Ramsey wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Truly don't want to turn this into a thread of you trying to drum up more support for Farage and his moronic mob. If we're talking purely football and you're telling me a lack of English players in our top flight is the barrier to our success, how do you explain Wales who couldn't even pick a starting xi, never mind a squad of purely top flight players making the semis?

I know it doesn't fit your flaming foreigners agenda but don't ignore it. Tell me why it affects England but not Wales. The problem is a lack of quality youth coaches and a lack of talent in the current generation of English players.


Pricey ,

I have nothing against people from other Countries.

However, we voted to leave the EU, partly because too many people from EU were coming here.

Put it this way, you would not get a job at a Company you wished to work for in the UK / England, if there were already more talented people going to work at that Company, from other EU Countries , in BREXIT's case.

You must have been a Remainer, Pricey.

Regarding more talented Youth Coaches , this may now work better, we have left the EU.

We need to get the balance of Players right , so talented players representing England can come shining through.


Would like a bag of gob stoppers, their free......


Gob stoppers - that's reserved for Roger Corbyn and Diane Abbott !!!... who spout absolute garbage and seem to want " unlimited " immigration into the UK.


Posted By: Footy Dave
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 4:11pm
So, brexit is the answer to all of our problems is it?, immigration will probably slow down soon, once our economy has gone down the pan, no one in their right mind will want to come here!. The £ is now worth a euro, butter prices up 58%, Unilever trying to screw Shoppers by raising prices, sugar up 37%,beef up by 33%, wheat up by 17%, this will lead to inflation, interest rises, dearer mortgages, less money in people's pockets to spend watching football!. And yes before anyone asks, I voted remain.

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Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 5:14pm
Originally posted by Footy Dave Footy Dave wrote:

So, brexit is the answer to all of our problems is it?, immigration will probably slow down soon, once our economy has gone down the pan, no one in their right mind will want to come here!. The £ is now worth a euro, butter prices up 58%, Unilever trying to screw Shoppers by raising prices, sugar up 37%,beef up by 33%, wheat up by 17%, this will lead to inflation, interest rises, dearer mortgages, less money in people's pockets to spend watching football!. And yes before anyone asks, I voted remain.


Footy Dave:

Hopefully you can manage to get a " decent job / steady career " by coming out of the EU.

Lost UK / England Sovereignty and Laws and uncontrolled EU Migration were most peoples concerns.

Yes retail prices might go up. House Prices have not gone down

Do you work for Companies like the NHS or Education, who obviously tended to vote Remain.

If you read the Daily Mirror or Guardian , you will also tend to vote Remain.

Actually I can see England football improving , through more home grown talent shining through and increased attendances.



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 6:02pm
Alf,

I'll try one more time. Genuinely don't want any UKIP claptrap and I accept however anyone voted but...

...if not enough opportunity for English footballers to play in the top flight due to foreigners in the game is the biggest problem with the national team, how do you explain Wales' recent performances?

How many top flight players do they have? A fraction of England's. This is clearly not the issue is it?

But it doesn't fit your agenda so I doubt you'll acknowledge it.


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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 6:05pm
Ok- no first team game this week-end but nothing changes on here - very little TFC football to talk about yet again - regulars (which remain in diminishing numbers) talking off football topic - and who can blame them to be fair. Site dying on its feet!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 6:10pm
Also, Alf, England have qualified for the last 5 World Cups. Prior to that they failed to qualify in '94, '78 and '74? Foreigners in the game the problem then or is it possible that some problems with the national team might be connected to the poor standard of English players?

Take out 1966 and England have never reached a major tournament final. The defeat to Iceland was pretty embarrassing but that same Iceland side drew with Portugal who won the tournament. I don't think England are particularly blessed with a great current crop and I don't think their results are far off what should be expected given the standard of the current generation.

More qualified coaches and more top players going abroad to La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A etc to experience different cultures and styles of football is far more likely to improve the national team than Brexit is.


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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 6:13pm
In fairness Argus I do far less aways than I used to and no home games from 24 Sep to 29 Oct won't have helped people to discuss TFC.

A pretty odd fixture list allied to our FA Cup departure also means that (dependant on the trophy draw), our last pre Christmas home game could be November 19th!

That doesn't help.


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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Footy Dave
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by Sir Alf Ramsey Sir Alf Ramsey wrote:

Originally posted by Footy Dave Footy Dave wrote:

So, brexit is the answer to all of our problems is it?, immigration will probably slow down soon, once our economy has gone down the pan, no one in their right mind will want to come here!. The £ is now worth a euro, butter prices up 58%, Unilever trying to screw Shoppers by raising prices, sugar up 37%,beef up by 33%, wheat up by 17%, this will lead to inflation, interest rises, dearer mortgages, less money in people's pockets to spend watching football!. And yes before anyone asks, I voted remain.


Footy Dave:

Hopefully you can manage to get a " decent job / steady career " by coming out of the EU.

Lost UK / England Sovereignty and Laws and uncontrolled EU Migration were most peoples concerns.

Yes retail prices might go up. House Prices have not gone down

Do you work for Companies like the NHS or Education, who obviously tended to vote Remain.

If you read the Daily Mirror or Guardian , you will also tend to vote Remain.

Actually I can see England football improving , through more home grown talent shining through and increased attendances.


I already have a decent job, but one that could be affected if Brexit isn't handled correctly, which at the moment I don't think it is. Disagree about increased attendances, as I said before, less money in pocket, means less to spend on leisure activities like paying to watch football. Government needs to spend on infrastructure to keep the country productive.

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Footy Dave   


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by Footy Dave Footy Dave wrote:

Originally posted by Sir Alf Ramsey Sir Alf Ramsey wrote:

Originally posted by Footy Dave Footy Dave wrote:

So, brexit is the answer to all of our problems is it?, immigration will probably slow down soon, once our economy has gone down the pan, no one in their right mind will want to come here!. The £ is now worth a euro, butter prices up 58%, Unilever trying to screw Shoppers by raising prices, sugar up 37%,beef up by 33%, wheat up by 17%, this will lead to inflation, interest rises, dearer mortgages, less money in people's pockets to spend watching football!. And yes before anyone asks, I voted remain.


Footy Dave:

Hopefully you can manage to get a " decent job / steady career " by coming out of the EU.

Lost UK / England Sovereignty and Laws and uncontrolled EU Migration were most peoples concerns.

Yes retail prices might go up. House Prices have not gone down

Do you work for Companies like the NHS or Education, who obviously tended to vote Remain.

If you read the Daily Mirror or Guardian , you will also tend to vote Remain.

Actually I can see England football improving , through more home grown talent shining through and increased attendances.


I already have a decent job, but one that could be affected if Brexit isn't handled correctly, which at the moment I don't think it is. Disagree about increased attendances, as I said before, less money in pocket, means less to spend on leisure activities like paying to watch football. Government needs to spend on infrastructure to keep the country productive.


More people born here should have a BETTER chance of getting a decent job , which applies to Housing too.

If we had " uncontrolled" EU immigration, our infrastructure and NHS would fall to pieces IMO, due to the amounts of people using it.

House 🏠 Prices have gone up since BREXIT. Still low interest rates / more disposable income for many.



Posted By: WotchaCobber
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 2:00pm
consumer spending will fall as inflation rises. Government cutbacks still dragging down econonomy. NHS and Education are not companies but government enterprises paid for through taxation.
Its about education and propaganda blow through. Poor atainment levels and billionaire off shore ownership ensure that the 1% can control feeble self centred minds who are happy with their crumbs and mass poverty and deprivation for worse off, as long as it is not a feature of their own lives.
Football is a bit sxxt at the mo!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 10:06pm
Alf,

One last try - I know in your opinion the number of foreigners in the Prem has ruined the national team and Brexit will save us but before that happens, can you talk me through how England had 141 Prem players to pick from last season and this was nowhere near enough thanks to all those horrible foreigners...

...but Wales who had 14 (plus Bale at Real) so let's call it 15 were not at a disadvantage?

Maybe, if we can boot the foreigners out, we can get back to the glory days of the 70s when nearly all top flight players were English and England managed to fail to qualify for back to back World Cups...or could you grudgingly accept that there might be more reasons as to why the national side don't do very well?


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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Sir Alf Ramsey
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Alf,

One last try - I know in your opinion the number of foreigners in the Prem has ruined the national team and Brexit will save us but before that happens, can you talk me through how England had 141 Prem players to pick from last season and this was nowhere near enough thanks to all those horrible foreigners...

...but Wales who had 14 (plus Bale at Real) so let's call it 15 were not at a disadvantage?

Maybe, if we can boot the foreigners out, we can get back to the glory days of the 70s when nearly all top flight players were English and England managed to fail to qualify for back to back World Cups...or could you grudgingly accept that there might be more reasons as to why the national side don't do very well?


Pricey

It has alot to do with Morale.

The 1970s was quite an aggressive place to be in the UK - lots of strikes and violence and blatant racism.

We are in 2016 and the majority thought ( EU Referendum ) , that too many people were coming to " soft touch " UK.

It is good to be multi - cultural.

However , most people in areas like Sparkhill, Birmingham ( predominantly Asian ) , Redditch ( alot of Polish ) thought Immigration was getting roo high, with strain on housing , jobs etc.

Of course we don't, I don't want England to be just full of English !!!...


Posted By: Pilgrim Pod
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 9:30am
Originally posted by Sir Alf Ramsey Sir Alf Ramsey wrote:

Of course we don't, I don't want England to be just full of English !!!...
This. Young blonde Swedish women are welcome too. Tongue


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2016 at 7:49pm
Point made previously site going down pan- thanks Pods - never expected anything less! -



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